June 1997, more Canada-Russia staff talks. We were on the Besstrashnyy and the conversation was a little stilted. So I commented on the quality of the ropework on the ship — real eye splices rather than metal clamps and so forth. He gave the word and one of his people came back with an example of the very complicated mast head knot and presented it to me. I still have it; it was obviously taken from a display board somewhere on the ship because it has little nail holes in it.